Curse

Goddess Of Defense · Nov 05, 2010, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Not signing this, not for the fact that I have r6 zaishen but for the fact that Zaishen Keys come from two sources, tournament reward points and balthazar faction. Both require you to pvp as well as the fact that all those free zaishen keys per month was shut down. Not to mention those pvpers who already have titles to put in their hall use it as a source of money not because it's a title but because people need the title for their hall of monuments. If you all would stop crying about the titles allowed in the HoM and worry about the ridiculous overprice of weapons/miniatures/remnants you'd see the problem isn't what goes in the halls but the people of the game. The source of all evil is the human instinct to want more and more, and the more you beg the more evil you seem...

rmd · Nov 05, 2010, 11:18 PM // 23:18

/signed

pvp is pvp shadowform is not pvp.

Vlad · Nov 06, 2010, 02:40 AM // 02:40

GOD NO!@ how else are the pve people to get the title. (specially me)

/notsigned

Morphy · Nov 06, 2010, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad

GOD NO!@ how else are the pve people to get the title. (specially me)

/notsigned

By playing PvP?

Xand · Nov 06, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41

/notsigned

People need to know with certainty what to pursue, since GW2 will be released soon (hopefully

).

I do not understand what a player gains by minimizing the results of other players. What is the gain for the one who opened this topic?
Even if he was listened, what would he earn?
Just the same old flame between PvE/PvP players...

It 's like if someone protested at the fact that the maximum points of the Monument of "Valor" can be achieved with only 15 weapons, while he has more.
What's the point?
And this comes from someone who has far more than required in all of the Monuments.

Ps: I apologize if my English is bad, but I am Italian.

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

/notsigned

People need to know with certainty what to pursue, since GW2 will be released soon (hopefully

).

I do not understand what a player gains by minimizing the results of other players. What is the gain for the one who opened this topic?
Even if he was listened, what would he earn?
Just the same old flame between PvE/PvP players...

It 's like if someone protested at the fact that the maximum points of the Monument of "Valor" can be achieved with only 15 weapons, while he has more.
What's the point?
And this comes from someone who has far more than required in all of the Monuments.

Ps: I apologize if my English is bad, but I am Italian.

If you could get pve titles by doing pvp, you could be damn sure some pver would make a thread complaining about that.

Xand · Nov 06, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

For sure. But it would be an act of malice. Like this thread.

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

For sure. But it would be an act of malice. Like this thread.

It isn't malicious.

jazilla · Nov 06, 2010, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

For sure. But it would be an act of malice. Like this thread.

did you read my OP at all? there is no malice at all in it. In fact, I would invite you to go back through every post I have put on here since starting this thread. I give a lot of reasons why I think that it should be changed and NONE are spiteful in any way, shape, or form. If you mean people's troll-like comments that bring nothing to the table in the form of ideas or solutions then I agree, but your comment is doing nothing to help fix what is quite obviously an issue or there wouldnt have been so much discussion or difference of opinion.

Xand · Nov 06, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Del

It isn't malicious.

Well, how do you call something that's not going to bring you any advantage but is meant to bring only disadvantages to others?

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

Well, how do you call something that's not going to bring you any advantage but is meant to bring only disadvantages to others?

It's about not doing pvp to earn a title that counts for pve, rather than doing pvp for the pve HoM points. Not being malicious.

Xand · Nov 06, 2010, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

what is quite obviously an issue

I don't agree.
This is not a race. If you get the achievement you want, why should you complain about other people getting it?
That doesn't hurt you anyhow...

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

I don't agree.
This is not a race. If you get the achievement you want, why should you complain about other people getting it?
That doesn't hurt you anyhow...

Feel however you wish, but don't say someone having a different view is malicious.

Xand · Nov 06, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

Ps: I apologize if my English is bad, but I am Italian.

I didn't mean to offend anyone, probably something went lost in translation.

Anyway, my argument seems to be pretty clear...

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

I didn't mean to offend anyone, probably something went lost in translation.

Anyway, my argument seems to be pretty clear...

Clearly warped.

Coast · Nov 06, 2010, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Or they could just do this for pvp hom:
U got to have champ/hero/glad/zaishen/commander or codex in order to get the full points for hom.
This way more people would actually have to play that content of the game in order to get a full hom.

Gwendolyn the Jinx · Nov 06, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xand

/notsigned

People need to know with certainty what to pursue, since GW2 will be released soon (hopefully

).

I do not understand what a player gains by minimizing the results of other players. What is the gain for the one who opened this topic?
Even if he was listened, what would he earn?
Just the same old flame between PvE/PvP players...

It 's like if someone protested at the fact that the maximum points of the Monument of "Valor" can be achieved with only 15 weapons, while he has more.
What's the point?
And this comes from someone who has far more than required in all of the Monuments.

Ps: I apologize if my English is bad, but I am Italian.

Agree with you 100% and it's crystal clear what you're trying to say

.

It's too late to make changes to how the HoM calculator works now since a lot of people have made plans and spent time and money doing so. I very much doubt anything will be changed. Imagine someone buying or actually working for the 200 zkeys, they'd both be robbed from their PvP title. If anything, they'll only make things easier (like you said, r8->r6 hero title change).

@Del: I think it is malicious when you enjoy making things harder for others.

Shayne Hawke · Nov 06, 2010, 08:58 PM // 20:58

The reason behind this suggestion is not to make something harder just for the sake of making it harder, which would certainly be a bad reason for any suggestion. It is that certain kinds of work count for things that they should never have counted for in the first place.

Del · Nov 06, 2010, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwendolyn the Jinx

@Del: I think it is malicious when you enjoy making things harder for others.

I care what you think.

Shriketalon · Nov 06, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Del

If you could get pve titles by doing pvp, you could be damn sure some pver would make a thread complaining about that.

You mean like selling Zkeys to buy hero armor sets instead of doing the challenge missions, paying for runs through major content instead of defeating it yourself, buying up minipets instead of having old characters, purchasing tormented and destroyer weapons through Tolkano instead of the content for which they were designed, and buying rare materials to forge your armor?